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caddyman ([personal profile] caddyman) wrote2009-11-13 08:54 am

Rough Justice?

Has anyone seen this reported elsewhere than here and, increasingly on US blogs? Even for the law courts, it seems bizarre to convict someone for handing in a fire arm.

I do realise that what's reported is rarely quite what happened and there may well be more to this than meets the eye: even local newspapers are willing to go for the story ahead of the facts.

Whatever the wording of the law, the jury can fail to convict if they think no offence has taken place. I for one would like more background.

[identity profile] phil99.livejournal.com 2009-11-13 09:49 am (UTC)(link)
It's a ludicrous story, ludicrous not because it's definitely untrue but ludicrous because I can't believe that this would ever happen!

I get the "legal argument" bit that says there's no defence "in law", but I don't believe that the police/courts can be THAT inflexible?

[identity profile] w00hoo.livejournal.com 2009-11-13 09:54 am (UTC)(link)
I guess the initial police officer could have chosen not to prosecute but once that choice had been made getting to this point is pretty inevitable.

The real story will probably be told in sentencing, assuming the judge has the option to come up with something derisory to prove that they felt the guy did nothing wrong.

If we can take what is written in the report at face value then it's really just another reminder that the system isn't actually designed to help the people.

[identity profile] phil99.livejournal.com 2009-11-14 08:44 pm (UTC)(link)
I would just like to add that since reading this story I have changed my opinion on this, and believe the guy in question is a prat.

That is all :)

[identity profile] littleonionz.livejournal.com 2009-11-13 11:55 am (UTC)(link)
Well thats me hangin on to my old AK47.

[identity profile] fencingsculptor.livejournal.com 2009-11-13 12:16 pm (UTC)(link)
I need more information too.

The manner in which the individual dealt with the situation seems a little 'sensationalist'.

To find the weapon, take it home, then phone a police station and then at the custody pull a firearm and ammunition out of a bag in front of a police officer who may have been unaware of what was happening was a stooped thing to have done.

If I found myself in his position I would have phoned the police and waited by the weapon until they attended the scene until they collected it - making very sure I didn't touch it.

However, in light of this story the Police/Government need to make the law clear to the general public.

Sadly the Law CAN and IS unbelievably inflexible following the implementation of the Violent Crime Act (??) in Oct 2008. Which effectively made it against the law for a UK citizen to make anything that even looks like an ‘real/genuine’ firearm.

This hit the airsofting community particularly hard and also the prop communitiy.

If I were to make a model of a Star Wars Stormtrooper gun, which is based on the WWII 8mm Stirling Sub machine gun, I would be breaking the law and could face a term of up to 5 years.

Never, NEVER underestimate the ability of the Law to be an Ass……

[identity profile] fencingsculptor.livejournal.com 2009-11-13 12:20 pm (UTC)(link)
I need more information too.

The manner in which the individual dealt with the situation seems a little sensationalist.

To find the weapon, take it home, then phone a police station and then at the custody pull a firearm and ammunition out of a bag in front of a police officer who may have been unaware of what was happening was a spectacularly stoooooopid thing to have done – if indeed this was the case.

However, in light of this story the Police/Government need to make the law clear to the general public.

Sadly the Law CAN and IS inflexible following the implementation of the Violent Crime Act (??) in Oct 2008. Which effectively made it against the law for a UK citizen to make anything that even looks like a ‘real/genuine’ firearm.

This hit the airsofting community particularly hard. And also the ‘prop making community’. If I were to make a model of a Star Wars Storm trooper gun, which is based on the WWII 8mm Stirling Sub machine gun, I would be breaking the law and could face a term of up to 5 years.

Never, NEVER underestimate the ability of the Law to be an Ass……

If you are watching this case do please post a journal entry on the outcome….

[identity profile] fractalgeek.livejournal.com 2009-11-13 12:48 pm (UTC)(link)
Unfortunately the law was framed to specifically make this a strict liability offence, which is usually the sign of a bad law.

I would be interested to know whether he said WHY he was going to come into the police station in the call. If he was advised to do so, then there is something wrong!

In this case, an illegal import followed by possession over an extended period, got 3 years.

FYI, the golf rule that you can only carry up to 14 clubs has one exception - if you find one on the course, then you can bring it in if you don't play with it.