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caddyman ([personal profile] caddyman) wrote2005-07-28 01:02 am
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He's a witch, burn him!

Tonight, DT sans LJ and I took advantage of Orange Wednesday again and disappeared off to the Vue cinema in North Finchley to watch the latest Tom Cruise vehicle, War of the Worlds.

Interestingly, DT thought it could have been longer, whilst I thought it could have done with tighter editing and brought back closer to the 100 minute mark. In many ways, it's a reasonable update of the story, and the plot is there, easily seen underneath the Spielberg schmaltz. The special effects were impeccable, and Dakota Fanning acted the arse off of Tom Cruise. I guess it's the invisible aliens sucking at his aura that loses it for him, strange little Scientologist jaffa that he is.

I think, however, that I have deduced the problem with the movie, and I am now going to commit science fiction heresy.

As original and forward thinking as it may have been when it was published in 1898, War of the Worlds is essentially a boring and old-fashioned plot line. The pacing is of the Victorian drawing room, and the central premise assumes that an advanced alien culture knows nothing about bacteria. This may have been clever new stuff to a traditional Victorian society, but in the 21st century, any one who has watched a bleach advert knows what the little blighters are like. The story works as a period piece, but really it hasn't aged at all well. This is not to denigrate Wells; standing on the shoulders of giants and all that, but let's be honest, he has been outstripped by the later SF writers such as Asimov and Clarke. And even the earlier parts of their work is beginning to show their age a little now.

Sic Transit Gloria Mundi indeed.

Just mho

[identity profile] smokingboot.livejournal.com 2005-07-28 08:38 am (UTC)(link)
but let's be honest, he has been outstripped by the later SF writers such as Asimov and Clarke.

I must disagree with you. These latter two, especially Clarke, are very poor writers. Their ideas have not dated as badly because they are obviously newer, born of a mindset closer to our own. An idea becomes hackneyed through repetition and WotW is old now, its premis used many times over. But let us not blame the original writer for that:-)he could at least write an interesting sentence, something of which I would never accuse Clarke!

Re: Just mho

[identity profile] caddyman.livejournal.com 2005-07-28 12:11 pm (UTC)(link)
I did say that I wasn't denigrating Wells' achievement, just that I don't think it has aged well.

I think you're being a bit harsh on Asimov and Clarke, though. Though maybe not much.

Re: Just mho

[identity profile] smokingboot.livejournal.com 2005-07-28 12:33 pm (UTC)(link)
I am a very sick booty this morning, which is why my response was woolly (and I'm not sure this will be much better!) What I meant to say was that perhaps, of all genres, science-fiction is the one bound to date badly, simply because it relies on ideas which will one day be either common parlance or discarded, cliched or forgotten. It's the prose that rescues the ideas once the latter are old hat.

Asimov, I'll grant ye, on a good day; Clarke? I remember being forced through 'A Fall of Moondust,' at school. I would sooner eat the stuff than read about it again. I will be interested to see how well Gibson dates.

[identity profile] scary-lady.livejournal.com 2005-07-28 08:38 am (UTC)(link)
The bit I had a problem with was the single house in Boston where, in the midst of total carnage, the occupants appeared to have been sat cosily in a pristine lounge with all the lights on.

Oh, and the fire-proof boy without a mark on him.

[identity profile] failing-angel.livejournal.com 2005-07-28 09:13 am (UTC)(link)
But for that one point of 'excessive' heroism on Cruise's behalf, I think it worked as a film. (Still had Jeff Wayne in my head though).

Of course with regards to the germ factor - who knows, it could suggest hubris on a massive scale.

[identity profile] failing-angel.livejournal.com 2005-07-28 09:14 am (UTC)(link)
PS sorry to hear about the Van - hope your bird washed it out on Tuesday.

[identity profile] caddyman.livejournal.com 2005-07-28 12:12 pm (UTC)(link)
Boom Tish!"

The old ones are the oldest!

[identity profile] failing-angel.livejournal.com 2005-07-29 09:38 am (UTC)(link)
Darwinism in action.

Thanks to Smith & Jones for the 'original' gag though

[identity profile] fractalgeek.livejournal.com 2005-07-28 09:47 am (UTC)(link)
I don't have a big problem about the plot of the book per se. The whole point is an allegory of the futility of proud Man's endevours, but God in his infinite wisdom protecting us (and implicitly restricting his creations to their respective spheres). However, why did they have to lose the meteors. A large impace in the city could have been effects heaven. My gut feel is that they didn't want to have something crashing into NY. It opened up gaping plot holes, though. If you had the technology to place giant fighting machines secretly deep underground, hundreds if not thousands of years ago, why wait until now to trash the people in the way...

[identity profile] littleonions.livejournal.com 2005-07-28 12:50 pm (UTC)(link)
Not seen it yet, but I can imagine that it would work updated. Having just completed a a large chunk of course work on the popular and the canonical with specific reference to Sci-fi...I'll be shutting up now :)
except to say;
Wells R0x0rs! Asimov Sux0rs! boo ya.

[identity profile] binidj.livejournal.com 2005-07-28 12:56 pm (UTC)(link)
Ah but scientists have failed to discover any bacteria on mars (or indeed anywhere aside from Earth) so perhaps the Martians just thought we were being superstitious.

war of the worms

[identity profile] bluesman.livejournal.com 2005-07-28 01:17 pm (UTC)(link)
I thought the film was a fun bit of escapism, that Wells has always been very lightly readable (for a Victorian writer - much more engrossing than that wordy bugger Dickens), and Asimov has often put me to sleep, and as for that old tech-head E E "Doc" Smith...
Of course sci-fi gets outdated, as so much of it talks about technology or concepts that are antiquated within a year or two. I forget which writer talked in terms of 'puters and visiplates, but you see what I mean. In the '50s and '60s, radiation was The Big Invisible Menace, and it's what buggered the Incredible Shrinking Man (a great yarn, by the way), and so it's pretty dated now. You can laugh at plot points and premises in these books and films and be unable to get past them, or you can just sit back and enjoy, though I did have a few beefs with this version of War of the Worlds:
T Cruise (so full of himself that he probably squeaks when he sits down);
Not enough alien-whacking (even two hand grenades up the tripod's bottom didn't have enough of a "YEAH!" factor);
The son turns up at the end completely unmarked.
Give me "Alien" for sheer terror, or "Alien II" for serious whacking any day.

E.E. 'Doc' Smith

[identity profile] smokingboot.livejournal.com 2005-07-28 02:29 pm (UTC)(link)
Skylark of Valeron

'The universe is ending! Pass me my slide rule, Dot.'

I still get flashbacks you know...