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When I was a kid, Halloween was a date on the calendar and not much else. We certainly didn't celebrate it in any particular way.

By the time I reached 18 and was old enough to hit the pubs of an evening, pecuniary circumstances permitting, Halloween had moved along slightly so that there might be a few fake cobwebs on the pub bar (although in some of the establishments I used to frequent, fake cobwebs were unnecessary), and there might just conceivably be a rubber bat hanging forlornly from a piece of elastic tied to alight fitting.

That then, was Halloween in the UK through the '60s and into the late '70s.

And then came ET, the Extraterrestrial with the pre-junkie Drew Barrymore and the eminently strangle-able Elliott and, it all changed. Shortly thereafter, and with increasing intensity, Halloween took on an American feel and it was no longer safe to venture out after dark on 31st October without running the gauntlet of kids in plastic bin liners and paper hats demanding sweets with menaces. The only thing to do was stay in with the lights out watching telly, or go down the pub.

Nowadays, it seems to depend where you are. In South Cambs, for example, there seems to be an unwritten rule that if there is no pumpkin displayed in the house window, it is off limits and it remains undisturbed. This strikes me as eminently civilised. In South London, of course, it is entirely different.

Up to about 8-8.30 pm the kids and parents roam the streets in the crummy little costumes and have a bit of fun. Fine, I can live with that, provided I don't have to be involved. It's later that the fun starts.

I reckon that there should be a rule that limits participation in Halloween to 10 years old, though with some of the pre-pubescent, burger-fed brutes down our way, maybe 9 years old would be better. Certainly anyone older than that should know better than turning out and effectively roaming the streets in gangs demanding candy with menace. If they were after money, it would be illegal.

All I can say is that if I am 'trick or treated' by a teenager, they can look out for some response such as 'Let me introduce you to a friend of mine who I like to call, Mr Pepper Spray and this his colleague, Mr Mace.

I was toying with the idea of getting a taser, but I'm not sure they're entirely legal, despite the entertainment value.

Dance, Count Dracula, dance.

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Date: 2004-11-01 05:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] keresaspa.livejournal.com
Here here (or should that be hear hear?!). Halloween has become a stinking nuisance. Over here they come to your door demanding money of all things. We had our day of loyalists and republicans doing that, now it's the bally kids. Plus the fact that I could still hear fireworks at four in the sodding morning was a cruel joke.

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Date: 2004-11-01 05:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jfs.livejournal.com
In my area of London, we refer to November as "Pet scaring month" because the fireworks seem to start with Halloween, go on through Bonfire Night and then through to Diwali and probably Eid. And, as you say, to 3 or 4am.

Multicultural anti-social behaviour. Gotta love modern civilisation.

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Date: 2004-11-01 07:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] keresaspa.livejournal.com
I don't recall anyone having the guts to publicly celebrate Diwali or Eid (?) in a racist hole like Belfast but you can bet the chavs will keep letting them off until near Christmas just for the hell of it.

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Date: 2004-11-01 07:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jfs.livejournal.com
Eid (unless I've spelt it horribly wrong) is the festival to celebrate the end of Ramadan (which is a month of fasting; two of my colleagues are Muslim and they can't eat, or drink anything but water, during daylight hours. That's especially harsh when Ramadan happens during the summer.)

I guess in a lot of ways I'm lucky; the area I live in is very mixed, and it's something I really appreciate. However, it does mean that we get chavs of all races, colours and creeds letting off fireworks at 3am.

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Date: 2004-11-01 07:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] keresaspa.livejournal.com
We're slowly becoming more mixed but it's leading to a lot of narrow-minded bigots dealing out racist attacks. They have little elesxe to do since the ceasefires really.

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