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As of today, anyone visiting the US from the UK will be fingerprinted and photographed by US Immigration.

As of tomorrow, any new passport issued in the UK must be biometric if you want to use it to get into America, unless they've changed their minds and I've missed it.

Despite having friends in the US who I would like to visit again at some point when my finances are more robust, I'm not sure I can be bothered with all the hassle it involves any more.

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Date: 2004-09-30 01:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bibliogirl.livejournal.com
Amen, brother...

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Date: 2004-09-30 01:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] blue-room.livejournal.com
Mark W: I don't want to visit America while it's an occupied country.
Here's hoping things change real soon now.

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Date: 2004-09-30 02:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] november-girl.livejournal.com
What's biometric?

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Date: 2004-09-30 02:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] caddyman.livejournal.com
Finger prints, retina scans, DNA profile that sort of thing.

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Date: 2004-09-30 03:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] november-girl.livejournal.com
I hope that doesn't mean that the UK passport office will be amending all new UK passports to contain that information.

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Date: 2004-09-30 03:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] caddyman.livejournal.com
All new passports will eventually have this information, though quite when, I'm not sure (which will make travelling to the US even more fun for people on new, non-niometruc passports).

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Date: 2004-09-30 05:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] irdm.livejournal.com
It's going to mean applying by post is a little more difficult.
Signing the back of a few photos is one thing......

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Date: 2004-09-30 05:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] caddyman.livejournal.com
You will have to collect them personally. They've already said that. Though I suspect that will be reviewed quickly when the system collapses.

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Date: 2004-09-30 03:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nortysarah.livejournal.com
He actually starts at 7, doors open at 6.30. Do you have a mobile? Send me a text or an email! See you later

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Date: 2004-09-30 03:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mr-h-r-hughes.livejournal.com
Have been to the US lots in the past and it was fun, I really wanted to go back and see some of the wilderness areas rather than my usual city trips. However, my last trip (2002) involved such openly hostile and suspicious treatment by customs and security that I shan't be going again for a while. It made you feel like you were a criminal and I can only imagine that things have become worse.

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Date: 2004-09-30 04:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nyarbaggytep.livejournal.com
I'm not going until I can change my name to Maryam Daughter-of-Allah without being stopped on the way in and refused entry.

It's a shame cos I would love to explore various parts of the States.

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Date: 2004-09-30 05:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ruana1.livejournal.com
Agreed. Much as I would like to visit the States, there's a whole world elsewhere, containing many places more deserving of my tourism currency.

I asked my originally-American boss (who hasn't lived there for many years, but kept the accent) why there was a real chance of Dubya getting in again this year after he's made such a mess, and he told me he believes it's because most of the voters don't actually care what happens outside their own little towns. So pissing off a lot of foreigners, including the country that (to our shame) has been the US' staunchest ally lately, obviously doesn't matter.

Of course, the pulling for increased use of biometrics and ID cards in this country is even more worrying. I think Mr Blunkett has finally figured out that sneering about 'airy-fairy liberals' doesn't actually count as rational debate. Not that that has dented his determination any.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/09/21/id_pilot_survey_doubts/

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Date: 2004-09-30 06:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] caddyman.livejournal.com
I used the email and text facility on your info page, but just in case you don't get them, I'll be lurking around outside Holborn Tube at about 6.15.

See you later.

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Date: 2004-09-30 06:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nortysarah.livejournal.com
*grin* I have literally *just* sent you an email! I'm probably going to go via Russell Square so do you want to meet outside (weather permitting) at about 6.30?

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Date: 2004-09-30 06:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] caddyman.livejournal.com
Er... Russell Sq or Holborn...?

I don't actually know where Mr P is doing his talk... ;-)

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Date: 2004-09-30 06:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nortysarah.livejournal.com
*grin* It's the Institute of Education, Logan Hall, 20 Bedford Way

Here's a map

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Date: 2004-09-30 08:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] caddyman.livejournal.com
Okie doke. Outside the Institute at 6.30 it is, then!

Did you get my email etc with my mobile number? I haven't received your email.

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Date: 2004-09-30 08:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nortysarah.livejournal.com
Nope. How weird. I've checked my home mail as well... Hmm I'll stick details in a secure post...

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Date: 2004-09-30 05:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wallabok.livejournal.com
So as of today, despite my sister and her family living in the US, I no longer see the point of travelling to a country openly persecuting the innocent ("guilty until proven innocent" springs to mind)

Also, I know this will shock you, but I fully support your concerns about biometric passports.....

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Date: 2004-09-30 06:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] caddyman.livejournal.com
...but...but...but...

And yet you are OK with the proposals for biometric ID cards...?

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Date: 2004-09-30 08:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wallabok.livejournal.com
nope, I'm OK with ID cards, but I don't think I ever said I was OK with biometric cards....which I'm not....

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Date: 2004-10-01 01:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pauln.livejournal.com
Go visit Canada instead. The country is lovely and the people wonderfully friendly and welcoming.
From: [identity profile] thalinoviel.livejournal.com
It's only for new ones, right? I don't have to get a high tech one if I want to go?
From: [identity profile] caddyman.livejournal.com
As far as I'm aware if you have a vaild current passport, you're OK. You just have to put up with the finger prints and mugshot.

A muted defense (sic) of US policy

Date: 2004-10-01 11:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] drjohnsilence.livejournal.com
Bottom line: EU countries, which are all in favor of biometric passports but, erm, can't get their act together to switch over to the system in time, asked for a two-year extension. President Bush *approved* this move, thereby being nice not only to the UK, but even to France and Germany.
Congress, however, rejected this move and allowed only a one-year extension. Those pesky checks and balances...

The truth is, it's always been a hassle getting into the States, just as it's a hassle getting into the UK (my good lady wife was fingerprinted on her arrival in the UK as a student back in 1987, and made to report to Thames Valley Police as well). If you don't want to be fingerprinted on entry, you can always get a visa -- the good lady wife had to go through those hurdles even with a visa.

The US also has an illegal immigration problem that dwarfs anything the UK has. So I'm inclined to the view that the extra hassle is probably justifiable, but on the other hand I'm not that inclined to leave the country again. Citizenship is looking like a more and more attractive option, especially given the increasingly authoritarian nature of... (nope. not going to go there. I'll rant on the blog instead).

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